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A MOTION Humbly preſented To the Consideration of the Honourable, the Committee of the high Court of PARLIAMENT.

Conſiſting of 18. queres, concerning the Books of COMMON-PRAYER.

October 8. 1641.

As alſo, an Honourable SPEECH, Made by Mr, Pymme.

Printed for H. Walker, 1641.
QVAERIES Concerning the Booke of Common prayer.

1. WHether the Preface before the Booke of Common-Prayer, doth not ſufficiently prove that the intent of thoſe, by whom that Forme was eſtabliſhed, were fully reſolved, that afterwards in conveniency of time, it ſhould be altered? Publiſhed in the dayes Edward the 6.

2. Whether thoſe Ornaments wrought with Images upon them, as Copes in Cathedrall Churches, and thoſe Garments which the Biſhops weare of woollen, and ſome of ſilk, with linnen ſleeves and ſurplices worn by others of the Clergy, be warrantable by Gods Word, to be uſed in our Churches by the Clergy, as holy Veſtments? Iſay, 30. 22. Deutro. 22. 11. Levit. 19. 19. Luke 19. 35.

3. Whether the Abſolution pronounced by the Miniſter to the people, after Confeſſion, be not direct Popery; and ſuch Diſcipline, as Chriſt and his Apoſtles never left to the Church? Rev. 3. 7. Pſld. 45. 11. Iohn 1. 29.

4. Whether whilſt the Miniſter prayeth, the people ſhould not rather goe along with him, in what he prayeth: anſwering Amen onely, or ſome ſuch Expreſſion; rather then by breakes to anſwer by reſponds: as it is ordered in the Booke of Common-Prayer? Deut. 27. Acts 1. 24. 16. Acts 16. 25. Acts 20. 36, 37. Acts 12. 12.

5. Whether the Miniſter, and the people, each changing their part, at every other verſe in the reading of the Pſalms; be not contrary to the cuſtome of the Primitive Church? 1 Tim. 4. 13. Acts 15. 31. Luke 4. 16. Heb. 2. 12.

6. Whether all the Canonicall Scripture, ought not rather to be read through every yeare: then that onely, and the reſt left out, and part of the Apocrypha taken in, and uſed as it is? Dan. 10. 21. Mat. 21. 4. 2. Ioh. 5. 39. 1 Cor. 16. 26.

7. Whither it be not a great abſurdity, to compell our Miniſtery to uſe ſuch Songs as are tranſlated out of the Popiſh Service Booke, and are not in the Scripture, though otherwiſe perhaps leſſe offenſive? as Te Deum Laudamus, in Engliſh, &c.

The Papiſt Clergy doe delude the people with this hymne to beleeve a moſt abominable lye of a Maid in Saxony. Of whom they have placed a ſtory in their Service Booke, before the ſaid hymn. There was (ſay they) a young, and an holy Virgin in a Monaſtery of Nuns, and it hapned once in a great Feaſt, that (he was at matters in the quier. But becauſe her Miſtreſſe did dread her feebleneſſe, ſhe had her go reſt her in the Dortour. The maid was ſorry, and loth to goe thence, and therefore after ſhe was gone out, ſhe ab • de a while without the quier. And when this hymnd, wee praiſe thee, o God, was begun, ſhe ſaw (in a ſpirituall viſion) heaven open, and the ſiſters quier lift up to heaven. And when they came to ſay after. To thee all Angels cry aloud, ſhe ſaw all the Orders of Angels kneele downe, and with great reverence doe worſhip to God, ſinging with the quier. Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of Sabboth. And when they came to this. The glorious Company of Apoſtles praiſe thee, ſhe ſaw the Apoſtles kneele downe to God, and ſing forth with the quier. The ſame did the Prophets when they ſung. The goodly fellowſhip of the Prophets praiſe thee. And ſo of the Martyrs: And then all Confeſſors, and Virgins, joyned with them to the quier and ſang forth with them with great joy. And when the laſt verſe was in ſinging. O Lord in thee have I truſted, the quier came eaſily downe againe toward the Earth, and Heaven cloſed, and that heavenly blisfull Company was ſeen no longer.

This blaſphemous lye is related in thrir Popiſh Service Booke.

8. Whither to ſtand up at the repeating of the Creed, be a Ceremony of abſolute neceſſity? Acts 28. 23, 24. Ezek. 23. 26. Eph. 6. 11. Phil. 4. 1.

9. Whither in order of the 3. Collects, that for grace, ſhould not rather be firſt uſed, but is laſt, and after praying againſt our enemies, or for peace? And whither in that Collect for grace it be proper to call it the beginning of the day at 10. of the clock; or to call it night, at 2 or 3 in the afternoone, as it is there uſed? Exod. 22. 29. Rom. 8. 23. Rom. 11. 16. Mat. 6. 33. Ioh. 5. 44.

10. Whither that expreſſion, Almighty, and everlaſting God, which onely workeſt great marvels, ſend downe upon our Biſhop, &c. be a warrantable Prayer fit to be uſed? Mark 11. 24. Rom. 12. 12. Mat. 21. 13. 1 Pet. 3. 17. 2 Sam. 17 18, 19, &c.

11. Whither it be not according to the primitive Church, and after their Diſcipline rather to read the Goſpell before the Epiſtle, then after: the Goſpell being firſt preached by Chriſt himſelfe, and the Epiſtles written by the Apoſtles afterwards? Mat. 13. 11. Marke 13. 10. Acts 13. 24. Ioh. 19. 39. Gal. 4. 13.

12. Whither ſuch Iewiſh Ceremonies, as to bring Offerings to the Curate, are not utterly aboliſhed by Chriſt? Eph. 5. 1. 2. Heb. 10. 10. and ver. 11. 14.

13. Whither our almes doe deſerve any thing at Gods hand? If not, why ſhould we pray God to accept them, as is uſed in the Prayer for Chriſts Church militant here on earth, as it is titled? Mat. 6. 1, 2, 3, 4. Rom. 3. 27, Gal. 2 16.

13. Whether the Miniſter is to joyne with the people to pray for Gods Heavenly grace; eſpecially, for the Congregation preſent as it is uſed in the ſaid prayer, and not rather particularly, becauſe Gods eſpeciall Graces doe belong onely to his Elect? Ioh. 4. 10. Iſay. 37. 21. Ezra. 10. 1, 2, 3. Acts 4. 31, 32. Iohn 17. 9. verſe 20.

15. Whether the geſture of kneeling, ought to be uſed, at the receiving of the Sacrament of the Lords Supper, rather then to fit, as the Apoſtles did; the contrary being never commanded in Gods Word, nor practiſed in the Primitive Church? Math. 26. Mar. 14 Luke 22. 1 Cor. 11.

16. Whether it be of any conſequence, to demand of the Infants Godfathers, & Godmothers (as they are called) whither they forſake the Divell, &c. or whither they beleeve in God, &c. And they to anſwer in the childs behalf, as grounds of receiving the Child into the Church, and bapiizing it? Mat. 3. Acts 18. 25. Rom. 6. 3. 1 Peter 3. 21.

17. Whether it be lawfull to ſigne the child on the forehead with a Croſſe, there being no precedent for it in GODS Words, it being onely a Popiſh Ceremony? Ezek. 13. 3. Ioh, 10. 5, Mat. 15. 6. 2. Cor. 6. 6. 1 Iohn 5. 21.

18. Whither the child be not ſufficiently baptized, that is baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, & of the Holy Ghoſt: that it muſt be brought to the Biſhop after to be confirmed of him? Mac. 3. 11. Mar. 1. 4. Ioh. 1. 33. 1 Cor. 1. 14, 15, 16.

Many other quaerees concerning Matrimony, and concerning viſitation of the ſick and the Buriall of the dead, and the Churching of women might be made. But to fould up all in that one ſaying, preſenting them together in the laſt place with that expreſſion at the beginning of Commination: The words are theſe, Brethren, in the primitive Church, there was a Godly Diſcipline, &c.

And by and by after, is ſaid againe. In the ſtead whereof, untill the ſaid Diſcipline may bee reſtored againe (which thing is much to be wiſhed) it is thought good, that at this time in your preſence, ſhall be read the geuerall Sentences, &c.

Mr. Pym his worthy Speech in Parliament,

THE diſtempers of this Kingdome are well knowne, they need not Repetition; for though we have good Lawes, yet they want their Executioner: if they be executed, it is in a wrong ſenſe. I ſhall indeavour to apply a remedy co the breaches that are made. And to that end, I ſhall diſcover firſt the quality of, the Diſeaſe.

1. There is a Deſign to alter Law and Religion, the Parties that effect this, are Papiſts; who are obliged by a maxime in their Doctrine, that they are not able to maintain their Religion but to extirpate all others.

2. The ſ • cond is our Hierarchy, which cannot mount to the hight they ayme at, without the breach of Law.

To which Religion neceſſarily joyne, that if the one, the other falls.

3. Agents and Penſioners to forraine States, who ſee, we cannot comply with them, if we maintain the Religion eſtabliſhed with us, contrary to Theirs, here we intend the Spaniſh white Gold worke, which are of moſt effect for Earthly favorites, as for petty promotion, not Conſcience. And ſuch are our Judges Spirituall and Temporall. Such are alſo our Coun • ellors of State, all theſe ſetled in their contrivements, that ayme at one end, and to this purpoſe they walk on foure feet, diſcountenancing of Preachers and men vertuous for Religion, perſecuted under the Law of Purity.

Th • ſecond is the discountenancing of Preachers of contrary diſpoſitions.

3. The negotiating with the faction of Rome, by frequent Preaching, and inſtruction to p • each of the abſolute Monarchy of Kings. Here follow ſeverall IIeads.

THe politicall interpretation of the law to ſerve the times, and this to impoſe taxes, with the colour of law A Judg ſaid it, when a habeas Corpus was paid for, by keeping the King in continuall want, that he may ſeeke to their Counſells for reliefe. To this purpoſe they keepe the Parliament in diſtaſte that their Counſell might be taken. The King Himſelfe is brought to this, like a woman that uſeth her ſelfe to poyſon, when ſhe might eate good meat. Search the Chronicles, and we ſhall ſee, no King ever uſed Parliaments that was brought to this want, Arbitrary proceedings in Courts of Juſtice; we have Law left to the Conſcience of a ſingle man, all Courts are now of Conſcience.

Plotters to inſorce a warre between France and Us; that when we had well wearied one another, we might be brought to what ſcorn they pleaſed. The petition wall is only Unity, the ſuddain diſſolving of Parliaments, and puniſhing of Parliament men, to affright us from ſpeaking what we think, one was committed, for not delivering up the Patitions of the Houſe, a Declaration which ſlandereth our procedings, as full of lyes, as letters, who would have the firſt ground to be our Example; and Papiſts under appearance to the King his beſt Subjects; for they contribute money to the warre, which the Proteſtants will not doe.

The other is the Military, by getting places of importance into the Papiſts hands, as who were Commanders in the late Army, but they who were ſtrong in Arms, but they, to whom their Armor is delivered contrary to the Statute.

Their indeavours are to bring in ſtrangers to be billitted upon us.

We have had no accompt of the Spaniſh Navy, and our feare is from Ireland, the next is papiſticall, that proceeds of Agents here in London, by whoſe deſires many Monaſteries and Nunneries are erected.

FINIS.